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March 09, 2005

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Great post Jason - for some fascinating background on American roots in debt, the big Alexander Hamilton biography by Ron Chrenow is a must-read.

And the Achilles heel of this is the value of the dollar around the world - if it remains a top-tier currency (a must-hold for big governments and banks) then the debt should be safe - if it doesn't - a real threat that Krugman and others have pointed out - then our debt society becomes devalued, our homes plummet in value, and we're paying double for a hamburger today that we won't get tomorrow, a la Argentina.

Very good topic and post Jason.

Consumer debt is no different than dope in my mind. It's harmless fun when you’re doing it on weekends and in small qty’s while you're in college, but can become an addiction and life struggle quickly if not kept in check. I dabbled in both (dope and debt spending), and was lucky enough not to have gotten buried too deep in either before getting my shit together.

I have little sympathy for lending institutions who are handing out car/home loans and credit cards to those who can't afford to make payments and it pisses me off to no end that taxpayers have to bear any of the burden whatsoever for those who get in too deep by their own compulsion (I'm not talking about situations that involve catastrophic health crisis or death of a spouse).

My wife worked for a nat'l homebuilder for many years. We bought and built our first home with them (still live in it) and the process was quite an eye opener for me. With our good credit rating and very modest combined income our builder approved us for an incredible loan amount for our first home. I can tell you that there was NO WAY we could have afforded to make payments on a mortgage for the full amount they were offering us. I’m not sure if I could afford it now for that matter. We settled on a little over half of what we qualified for and built a 3 BR, 2 1/2 bath and are better for it, but Cathy would come home day after day spinning stories of these homeowners throwing all common sense out the window and building these huge houses that they simply didn't need nor could afford only to go into foreclosure before the builder could even sell the loan. Watched it happen to a few of my own neighbors as their homes were completed (my wife had all the inside scoopage).

Car loans with 72 and 84 month terms, for what? So newly minted college grads making $25K a year can ride to work in a BMW and eat ramen noodles for dinner? Credit cards with huge limits so these same kids can eat their ramen noodles in front of giant plasma screen TV's? Believe me, I love all the gadgetry and toys money can buy and have a great deal of the stuff, but it came incrementally through the course of my life, not all at once. Again, I was fortunate enough to see where my debt spending was getting out of hand and had a chance to rein it in before it got out of control with simple common sense and discipline.

How would I fix it? Simple, stop bailing out any and all institutions who lend money to those on the bubble and get back to more sensible and sane risk assessments when it comes to evaluating loan and credit card applications. It's that simple. Individual discipline will fall in line as a natural byproduct of this approach.

BTW Speaking of debt spending and bad karma… That Focusrite mic preamp I bought without my wife’s knowledge blew up on me during my first recording session using it. I was aghast. Fortunately, my trusty studio gear repair place was able to rescue it for $150 (blown IC on the input side). Boy was I sweating that out. Her: “What’s this $1,500 to PayPal all about?! Me: “Oh, that’s the mic preamp that I got to use for all of 15 minutes before it blew up, but for that 15 minutes I had the best vocal sound I’ve ever put down on tape.” The whole incident almost had me believing a Tom Watson/Jason Chervokas GOP/conservative like conspiracy was at work :-)

Tony, great note.

The nation needs to think a lot more in a systematic way about debt, growth and the working population, especially as a generation begins to age out with low savings and high debts.

It's like steroids in baseball, the owners wanted a bulging, hugely successful game so they didn't mind if the players were quietly juiced....we pumped up the money supply, eased credit (both consumer and corporate), and explosively grew the economy, more or less over a 20 year period. But although maybe you can sometimes grow your way out of debt, you can't count on it, as many an LBO investor will tell you.

It's a lousy way to manage a nation.

BTW, I find any Paypal charge under $300 is bound to be discovered around my house. One day we should get your focusrite mic pre together w/ my vintage RCA 77-DX ribbon mic. I think they'd have a good time.


Jason deserves credit for citing Wimpy, who along with Popeye, Bluto, and Olive Oyl, formed the nexus of one of the greatest schools of political and economic thought of the 20th Century.

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